Watch Rand Paul rebuke cybersecurity expert Krebs, who was fired by Trump, on alleged election fraud

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U.S. Senator Rand Paul delivered a resounding rebuke of a former top election security official in the Trump administration.

The Kentucky Republican called out Christopher Krebs, who formerly ran the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, during a Wednesday hearing of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.

Testifying at the hearing focused on irregularities in the 2020 election, Krebs was schooled by Paul for not actually having examined any of the allegations of vote fraud. The senator told the nation’s former top cybersecurity official that his claim that the election was secure was not really factual.

In his role overseeing CISA, Krebs was responsible for protecting the integrity of U.S. elections but was abruptly fired by President Donald Trump last month. Wednesday’s hearing came just days after the White House acknowledged that internal email traffic at the U.S. Treasury and Commerce departments were being monitored by a foreign government for months.

“To be clear, based on my experience and understanding, no adversary has yet developed the ability to manipulate a single vote cast in a U.S. election,” Krebs said in his written opening statement. “Furthermore, even if such a hack were conducted, it would be incredibly difficult to carry out such an operation on a scale that could change the outcome of a national election.”

But Paul begged to differ.

“The fraud happened. The election in many ways was stolen,” he said during Wednesday’s oversight hearing.

“The only way it’ll be fixed is by, in the future, reinforcing the laws,” the lawmaker continued as he turned his comments to Krebs, who sat with his arms folded.

“I think his job was keeping the foreigners out of the election. It was the ‘most secure’ election based on the security of the internet and technology,” Paul said. “But he never has voiced an opinion – he’s welcome to today – on whether or not dead people voted.”

“I don’t think he examined that. Did he examine non-citizens voting? So to say it was the safest election, sure, I agree with your statement if you’re referring to foreign intervention,” Paul said, directing his remarks at Krebs.

“But if you’re saying it’s the safest election based on no dead people voting, no non-citizens voted, no people broke absentee rules, I think that’s false,” Rand said. “And I think that’s what upset a lot of people on our side, is that they’re taking your statement to mean, ‘oh well, there were no problems in the election.'”

Paul then told Krebs more directly that he did not believe he had examined “any of the problems that we heard here,” referring to the hearing.

Before his rebuke of Krebs, Paul had focused on the change in voting rules ahead of November’s election in many of the states that have faced legal challenges by Trump and his campaign. The Kentucky lawmaker admonished states such as Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin which altered election rules before Election Day. He added that he believes “state legislatures will need to reaffirm that election law can only be changed by a state legislature.”

“I think there’s a lot of work to be done,” Paul said. “While we will not dictate it to the states, I think we should have hearings going into the next year hearing from state legislatures and what they’re going to do to make sure election law is upheld.”

“The courts never looked at the facts,” he added. “The courts don’t like elections so they stayed out of it by finding an excuse.”


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