Fox News anchor Martha MacCallum pressed Harris-Walz campaign senior adviser Ian Sams Tuesday about Vice President Kamala Harris’ lagging support with male voters ahead of the 2024 election.

New polling shows a widened gender gap between Harris and Republican nominee Donald Trump, including among black and Latino men who are largely refraining from supporting the vice president. MacCallum cited Democratic Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, who denied the existence of a gender gap during his attempt to appeal to male voters, and further asked Sams why the vice president is continuing to lose support among men.

“You hear Tim Walz reaching out to men and saying I don’t believe there is this gender gap, and you see where she’s going to talk with voters over the coming days and she is reaching out to that male voter. So why do you think she has lost six points since 2020 with male voters? Why do you think that is? What’s behind that?” MacCallum asked.

“Well I think we’ll see in 3 weeks when the votes get counted what the actual gender gap split is and I think right now you can ask the exact same question, which is why Donald Trump is losing women by exponentially more than in 2020,” Sams said, leading MacCallum to repeat the question. “Well, I don’t think that the national polls necessarily reflect an accurate snapshot. I think that in each battleground state, we’re seeing different numbers, we’re seeing her grow her support. The longer she talks about her ideas, including her economic ideas for the middle class, I think she’s growing that support every single day.”

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MacCallum noted that Harris is doing media appearances on shows with large male audiences, including with Charlamagne Tha God and possibly on podcaster Joe Rogan’s popular show, “The Joe Rogan Experience.” Sams said Trump is spending all of his time participating in “bro podcasts.”

“Okay, so you’re saying it’s not happening,” MacCallum replied. “We’ll see, but she’s clearly spending a lot of time trying to reach those male voters and she has said ‘that I know I have to earn those male votes’ and clearly that seems to be one of the priorities for the campaign.”

Harris plans to appear in a town hall hosted by Charlamagne Tha God in Detroit, Michigan, on Tuesday and is reportedly in talks to appear on “The Joe Rogan Experience.” Eight-one percent of Rogan’s audience is male and 56% are between the ages of 18-34, according to a YouGov poll.

A New York Times/Siena College poll found Trump with a 51% to 40% advantage among male voters while Harris holds a 53% to 38% advantage among women voters. The former president holds a 57% advantage among Latino men ages 35-49, according to a USA Today/Suffolk University poll from Oct. 7.

Harris is currently leading among young black men by a historically low 41%, dropping significantly from President Joe Biden’s 53% in 2020 and former President Barack Obama’s 81% in 2012, CNN senior data reporter Harry Enten said on Monday.

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