Rep. Jim Jordan thoroughly schooled the Democrats’ star witness on her testimony about President Trump’s Ukraine phone call.
The Ohio Republican confronted Stanford Law School professor Pamela Karlan during the House Judiciary Committee’s first impeachment hearing on Wednesday, tearing into her for her double standard in remarks she made about Trump’s July phone call to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.
One set of rules for them.
A different set for us. pic.twitter.com/dzYPrJ5rRa
— Rep. Jim Jordan (@Jim_Jordan) December 4, 2019
Karlan, who at one point had attacked Trump’s 13-year-old son Barron, testified that when the president asked Zelensky to “do us a favor,” he was actually meant the favor as something personal and not for the country.
“When the president said, ‘do us a favor,’ he was using the ‘royal We’ there. It wasn’t a favor for the United States. He should have said ‘do me a favor,’ because only kings say ‘us’ when they mean ‘me.’,” Karlan testified.
Karlan says Trump used “the royal we” when he asked Ukraine to “do us a favor” for military aid
“It wasn’t a favor for the United States. He should have said ‘do me a favor,’ because only kings say ‘us’ when they mean ‘me.'” https://t.co/5Pgb8iGzpR pic.twitter.com/5UgL398FE7
— CBS News (@CBSNews) December 4, 2019
Jordan soon shredded the anti-Trump professor’s inaccurate misrepresentation of Trump’s words.
“Context is important, isn’t it?” he asked Karlan who responded that in the affirmative.
“It seems to me you don’t want to apply the same standard to the president,” he added, noting her previous remarks about her own quote as she told a lawmaker that the context of the words matter.
The congressman clarified how the president wasn’t referring to himself but to the United States in his phone call, emphasizing the next words, “our country,” to drive home the point that Trump was speaking for the nation the U.S. had been through so much.
Jordan told the leftist professor that her words “ignored the entire context” of Trump’s statement, pointing out how the phone call occurred the day after Robert Mueller had testified before Congress, noting that the president even ended that part of his conversation with Zelensky by referring to the former special counsel by name.
The president’s comments in that part of the conversation, according to the transcript:
I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike… I guess you have one of your wealthy people… The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the·whole situation. I think you’re surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it’s very important that you do it if that’s possible.
“This is the basis for this impeachment?” Jordan asked Wednesday.
“It couldn’t be further from the truth,” he added, calling out how Karlan wanted context to be applied when quoting her own words but would not apply the same criteria to Trump’s statements.
“Somehow that standard doesn’t apply to the president,” he concluded. “That is ridiculous!”
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