Former South Carolina congressman Trey Gowdy appeared on Fox News’ “Sunday Morning Futures” to talk about a transcript of a conversation between an informant and ex-Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos that he said has the potential to be a “game-changer.”
Gowdy, now a Fox News contributor, was the chairman of the House Oversight Committee and he told host Maria Bartiromo in a previous show that he has seen FBI transcripts related to Papadopoulos that contain potentially exculpatory information on concerns about collusion between the Trump presidential campaign and Russia.
The still-classified transcripts may shed light on why the FBI began the investigation and Bartiromo asked Gowdy why they are not being released.
“Why you haven’t seen it yet, I am lost. I am clueless,” Gowdy said, explaining that releasing them would not have any effect on our relationship with allies.
Source: Fox News
“It goes to a fundamental precept we have in this country,” he explained. “When there is exculpatory information, information that tends to show that a person did not commit a crime, that information is every bit as important as any inculpatory [evidence].”
Gowdy said the transcripts are important because they “buttress that fundamental precept,” and because they may address questions about when the investigation begin and why.
“Show us the transcripts,” he said, “Show us the questions you coached the informants or the cooperating witnesses to ask of the Trump campaign officials. If it’s not about the campaign, then you’re right. But if you’re veering over into the campaign or questions are not solely about Russia, then you’ve been misleading us for two years.”
Stressing that transcripts don’t have bad memories, he added, “Just release the transcripts and we can tell for ourselves when it began and what it was about.”
Bartiromo pointed out that she spoke with Papadopoulos about the matter and he told her the person Gowdy is speaking about is longtime FBI informant Stefan Halper, a professor in London.
Halper reportedly questioned him about whether or not the Trump campaign would take help from Russia, in regard to hacked Hillary Clinton emails obtained by WikiLeaks.
“It was in London … where Stefan Halper said something to him like, ‘Well, you know Russia has all these emails of Hillary Clinton and you know, when they get out that will be really good for you, right? Would you help? That would be really good for you and the Trump campaign if all those emails got out, right?” Bartiromo said.
“And George Papadopoulos answered and said, ‘That’s crazy, are you kidding me? That would be treason. People get hanged for stuff like that. I would never do something like that,'” she continued. “That is the transcript that George Papadopoulos told me is still classified.”
The Sept. 2016 transcript should have been part of the FISA warrant application process, Bartiromo insisted — this being the warrant obtained to begin surveillance of former Trump campaign aide Carter Page.
“That, what you just described, is textbook exculpatory information. It tends to show the person did not commit a crime — a crime he was never charged with,” Gowdy said. “But it also speaks to what the FBI and the department were doing back in 2016, was their target Russia or was their target the Trump campaign? We’re not going to know until you make the transcript public.”
He also noted that while in this case it’s a single transcript, “there [are] going to be others.”
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